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DIY Hybrid LED/PL-L Luminaire
Now that I am finally done with my lengthy project of building a hybrid PL-L/LED luminaire, I thought that I would write it up so that others might get some benefit from my experience. As this is being written, the luminaire has gone through a 2-week burn-in and has now been moved into my scrog tent.

First of all, I would like to thank a couple of the people who were crucial to its development. Knna is the first one that comes to mind – his tutorials on building LED fixtures on numerous web sites was critical to my understanding of what was necessary, and although I ultimately didn’t use his assembly technique, he was the origin of my understanding the mechanics of what was required. In addition, he worked with me through numerous PM exchanges, assisting me in the evolution of thought that took me from a ”conventional” LED application with two or three spectrums to what you see here.

Shafto was another contributor to the knowledge base that brought this about – his posts on MCPCB’s and plate re-flow soldering directly contributed to the successful completion of this project. Additionally, virtually everyone that has posted about DIY LED fixtures in the last couple of years has made some contribution to this. Unfortunately, I can’t claim that the hybrid concept is wholly original – once I had the design concept in mind, I found that Old Mac had built something on the same principle several years ago, Ahhhavalanche has his Magma Chamber, and there are undoubtedly many others.

The concept was developing about the same time that some of the commercial manufacturers were starting to bring out luminaires with more than the once-standard red/blue mix. I had used a home-made 6 x 55 watt PL-L fixture, and was impressed with the results. Further research showed that the PL-L lamps in virtually all available color temperatures had a very good spectral distribution with the exception of being weak in the far-red area.

I generally grow in a SCROG format, so the somewhat limited penetration of these lamps wasn’t really an issue, and they lent themselves well to covering the entire grow area rather than a point source or the rather limited form-factor of most existing commercial LED products. I decided to combine the two technologies because it worked quite well for the form factor that I wanted to achieve and it seemed like a much more economical and effective approach to getting full spectrum lighting. Using exclusively LED’s to achieve a full spectrum is counter-intuitive to me – combining very narrow outputs to achieve a broad spectrum doesn’t make sense, and it is quite expensive if you use good components.

I decided to purchase a commercially-made fixture in order to get some experience with any peculiarities that are brought to growing with the usage of LED's, and also to take the pressure off of getting things done more quickly than I was comfortable with. After lots of research, I settled on the Lumigrow ES330, which ultimately set a pretty damn high standard for what I would build. As a retired industrial electrician, I could appreciate the construction techniques and build quality that go into that product line, and as a grower I came to appreciate how well it functioned. Ultimately, I can attest to the fact that even as expensive as the Lumigrow products are, they are a bargain! I have to thank SOTF420 for his input on that purchase.

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The ES330 showed me that while it was a very effective light source, it lacked a bit in giving me an even, edge-to-edge coverage of my screen. My former PL-L fixture was far superior in that respect, so the design started to take shape in that direction. I decided to build something with a similar form-factor, but with the addition of 660nm LED’s. The final design was established as utilizing (4) 55-watt PL-L lamps interspersed with (3) LED bars of similar dimensions (4” x 22”). This gave an overall footprint of 22-1/2” x 28-1/2”, which worked well with a 30”x 30” screen.

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Each LED bar is built around a heat-sink that is 4”x 22” x 1.3”, with (11) 1” tall fins, and black anodized. There are (41) Osram Golden Dragon Plus LED’s mounted on MCPCB’s glued to each one. Although I wanted a passive design to avoid fan noise, calculations showed that the heat-sinks would only support 35-40 watts without additional airflow. I didn’t want to be restricted by this if it turned out that more far-red was needed for the best spectral distribution, and there were too many limitations put on the fixture design by trying to keep the fins open for passive heat shedding. I was also concerned about the additional thermal load of the PL-L reflector assemblies mounted immediately adjacent to the sides of each bar. Reluctantly, the final design uses 7 (!) fans. There are (2) Delta 12-volt 92 x 15 mm fans turning 1800 rpm at 12vdc on each heat-sink. They are rated at 26 cfm and 25 dB’s at full voltage. These fans were set up with one pushing and one pulling, and mounted on an aluminum plate cut to match the footprint of the heat-sink. There is also a single small fan pushing air into the ballast/driver enclosure. End plates were epoxied onto the heat-sinks to keep the air properly directed. The fans also serve as standoffs for the LED bar when it is inserted into the housing, with the space between the fans providing a raceway for the wiring.

Each LED bar (with its cooling fans) is individually switched, as are the PL-L ballasts. This will allow the fixture to be lit up from the center out if that is desirable when the plants are small. With the fan-forced airflow, each bar is capable of easily pushing at least 60 watts, so the luminaire is capable of a minimum of 400 watts ((4 x 55) + (3 x 60)). The Golden Dragons have a very wide viewing angle of 170 degrees, so hopefully they will be well balanced with the distribution and penetration of the PL-L’s. This viewing angle was tightened up a bit by the cover-plate design, which blocks enough of the horizontal light distribution to keep it out of your eyes when working below the fixture but still gives good coverage across the screen.

The LED’s were mounted on the MCPCB’s using the hot plate method detailed for me by Shafto. My particular spin on this was to use an inductive hot plate with the stainless steel “interface disc” that is sold for use with standard cookware. The interface disc is ¼” thick, 8” in diameter, and has a nice handle on it. The combination worked very well – this type of hot plate heats up and cools down quickly, and while the disc would have been large enough to have done numerous components at the same time, I stuck with soldering them 6 at a time. I didn’t want them soaking up too much heat from sitting on the disc for too long before I could pick them off after they had been soldered, or spread over the disc so widely that there would be variations in the time it took to heat them up. This technique worked exceptionally well, with zero failures from the soldering process. The LED’s were positioned on the MCPCB’s freehand, using the labeling on the face of MCPCB as a rough guide for placement.


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The assembled LED’s were positioned onto the heat-sink with the aid of a wooden template that was clamped to the heat-sink Holes were drilled in the template to place the loaded MCPCB’s in, with enough clearance to jockey them around a bit. This clearance, combined with the freehand placement of the LED’s, created some minor problems with getting the holes in the cover plates where they needed to be. If I were going to do this build again, I would find ways to tighten up the variation in the final placement of the components to mitigate this problem.

After the epoxy had set, the clamps were taken off and the template removed. The MCPCB’s were then wired to form 2 series strings. Soldering of the leads onto the stars was no fun – the heat-sink is both large and efficient, and trying to get things up to soldering temperature was difficult. I was glad that I had thought to tin the solder pads with liquid solder when the plate soldering process was going on, because that helped a great deal. By the time the 3rd bar was completed, my technique had improved considerably!

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I had struggled with the best way to protect the components and the wiring. I didn’t want to use a clear plastic that would block some of the light, and eventually decided on an 1/8” aluminum plate with holes drilled on the same centers as the LED’s. The plate was spaced off of the surface of the heat-sink so that the LED lenses just entered the holes in the plate, and then each hole was chamfered. The chamfering provided a somewhat polished surface, hopefully acting as a crude reflector to narrow down the Golden Dragon’s 170-degree viewing angle. After all of the machine work was done on the cover plates, the surface was brush-finished with sandpaper, the counter sunk holes buffed, and a couple of coats of clear lacquer was applied. The plates were attached to the heat-sinks with #8 button-head screws and 3/16” nylon standoffs.

Somewhere in the process of fitting the cover plate, the back plate, and all of the associated drilling and tapping, I made a costly mistake. The long power leads from each end of the power circuitry had been left attached to the LED’s after the wiring and testing was complete, and had just been taped out of the way for the machine work. After the plates and fans were fastened in place, I tested the bars to admire how pretty everything looked….. and one string wouldn’t light. I checked it out, and discovered that I had blown one entire string completely to hell. The only thing that I can attribute it to is static discharge. Somehow, one of the leads came into contact with something that I wish it hadn’t – that was about a $100 screw up. Incidentally, the 2-part epoxy sold for “permanent” mounting doesn’t quite live up to its’ fearsome reputation for permanence. I was really anxious about getting the blown components off the heat-sink, but it turned out the adhesive was no match for the careful application of a sharp chisel and a ball-peen hammer.

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The back of the housing was laid out with the aid of a cardboard template and cut to size, the side pieces cut to length, and all of the bracketing fabricated.

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Once the housing was assembled, the fan mounting plates from the LED bars were used to lay out the locations of the five holes required for each cooling fan.

After the LED bars were located, the layout for the PL-L reflector assemblies was done. The reflector assemblies were spaced off of the backplate to provide a wiring raceway beneath them and to bring the reflectors up to the same elevation as the face of the LED bars. The fixture was completely assembled to insure that everything worked, and then it was blown apart for finishing the visible areas. The exposed surfaces were all brush finished and clear lacquer applied prior to the final assembly.

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The ballast/driver enclosure is a 3” x 12” x 16” tabletop amplifier case ordered from Par-Metal. It has a gold alodine finish and the optional heavier front plate in brushed aluminum. The enclosure was the largest that Par-Metal offered in that depth, and was a snug fit for everything that found a home in it. There are six driver modules that can source from 100-700ma each. They are rated at 28 watts, but apparently can comfortably source up to around 40 watts. There are two drivers used per bar, with one driving 20 LED’s and the other driving 21. At the anticipated current levels, the drivers will be pushing from 20 to 30 watts each. The enclosure is fan-cooled and utilizes a DIY 2-stage power supply that allows the heat-sink fans and the driver enclosure fan to run at different voltages. The fan circuitry is protected with a power-loss relay that will kill the a-c power to the fixture if the fan power supply fails. I thought that I was going overboard with this level of protection, but the circuit has already proven its’ utility when the first enclosure fan died at 3 hours of usage, overheating the LM317 voltage regulator and forcing it to shut down. That is the first infancy failure of a Delta fan that I have seen.

The enclosure is also home to the ballasts for the PL-L lamps, the transformer for the fan power supply, terminal strips, and a fuse block. The primary on the ballasts is fused, as is the transformer and the supply line feeding the drivers. The driver outputs are individually fused, providing a handy test point to set the current on each driver.

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There are two power cords feeding the fixture. The main power switch on the back of the enclosure is a 3-position, double-pole, double-throw switch. This enables the selection of one cord or two, and an off position. The second cord is provided so that separate timers can be used on the two light sources in case I feel like playing with staging the lighting at the beginning and end of each “day”. The front panel switches are set up so that the first switch controls the outboard PL-Ls, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th switch control the corresponding LED bars, and the 5th switch is for the inboard pair of PL-Ls.

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Wired, installed, and running.

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I hope everyone enjoyed looking at this – it was a hell of a lot of fun to build, far more expensive than I ever would have believed, and hopefully it will fulfill my expectations!

... W tak zwanym przygotowaniu kolejny do wrzucenia.

ten mniej ambitnie wygląda i używa czegoś co mi się nie podoba ;) --> Volks LED => https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=241427
 
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no komercja moze ruszać :) wlasnie o takim wykonczeniu tu cały czas myslalem bo wiadomo ze ten moj na komercję to duzo jeszcze pracy ale dla koneserów co im nie zalezy ze sie tak wyraze na estetyce to czemu nie przecierz to ma dać rezultat a nie wyglądać :)
ale naprawde mi sie to podoba trzeba sie szybciutko pozbierać kupować maszyny otwierać biznes i lecieć z programem bo zaraz jakies chinole sie wpie****a i z***ia znów cos (tak czy innaczej nie wiem czy jeszcze bede mogl jeździć TAXI po sprawie więc do grudnia mam czas zeby znaleźć alternatywny dochód a jak to maja byc LED to nawet juz sie zastanawiam po co ja mam na wyspach z tymi nazistami (policja i prawo) sie użerać Jamajka :) nie za daleko ale Holland czemu nie tam by było chyba najlepiej)

Sub szukaj szukaj i wzucaj tu te wynalazki bo ja na tydz znikam a puzniej to musz popracować zeby to co mi za***ali odrobić więc u mienia czas niet :)
ktos z Gdańska to na PM w Poniedziałek bede w Polsza z chęcią bym poznał kogos z mojego 3miasta z kim byłoby o czym pogadac-juz mnie znajomi i tak nie chcą słuchać :)


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THE DOCTOR napisał:
ale naprawde mi sie to podoba trzeba sie szybciutko pozbierać kupować maszyny otwierać biznes i lecieć z programem

CNC..

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o do alu i płytek to nawet niej ambitny.. ale wiekszy ploterek..

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hmm... za ambitny.. choć jakby lecieć na większą skalę..

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ciekawe czy dało by sie w miarę prosto MCPCB robić..

Obudowy? Ha !!! gięcie alu... chyba prościej było by to ciąć z blachy stalowej - i zginać - projekt w solid worksie...

laserek do ciecia?

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plazmą ni bardzo bo cienkie blachy..

a łatwo zrobić..

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Czemu nie ma Polskiego producenta paneli LED ?
Niech nawet składa z chińszczyzny lepszej nieco - i ma w cenach .... no właśnie :lol:


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Sub szukaj szukaj i wzucaj tu te wynalazki bo ja na tydz znikam a puzniej to musz popracować zeby to co mi za***ali odrobić więc u mienia czas niet :)
ktos z Gdańska to na PM w Poniedziałek bede w Polsza z chęcią bym poznał kogos z mojego 3miasta z kim byłoby o czym pogadac-juz mnie znajomi i tak nie chcą słuchać :)
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A to czemu nie chcą słuchać?

Wracając do konstrukcji up.. hmm... mi się podoba lubię hybrydy - choć te okienka na diody kapkę psuja całość bo kącik jakim te Osramy światło wypluwają.

A teraz: pora na to do czego jest link pod koniec... hybrydowego:
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The VolksLED - The People's DIY Fixture
The VolksLED –

After my experience with building up my hybrid fixture, I wanted to come up with a way for people to house their DIY LEDs without going to the amount of work (and material cost) that was required in that design. While having a bare heatsink with a bunch of components attached to it will work, I like the idea of having everything enclosed so that the wiring is protected and the fixture is more aesthetically appealing. This is my answer to a DIY fixture for the masses!

I had a spare heat sink left over from my hybrid project, and decided to use it for a foundation. The design of the California Lightworks Solar Flare caught my fancy – the top center fan placement, pressurizing the housing and allowing the exit air to escape through ports at the end of the heat sink all seemed both very effective and easy to duplicate. It struck me that an electrical “gutter”, or wiring trough, commonly used in industrial wiring could be readily adapted to form a housing that incorporated these design elements. The spare heat sink was 4” x 22”, so a 2’ long section of 4” gutter was purchased

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A sawzall was used to trim the extra 2” of length off, and also to trim down the gutter endplates for exhaust-air ports. Cutting the holes for the power switch and the fused power-cord header were probably the most tedious part of the project. You would think that since the parts are made out of plastic rather than some high-dollar material that they could give you more than .025” of flange to cover the hole, but being user friendly obviously wasn’t in the design criteria. This minimal flange, plus the odd shape of the device, made it necessary to do a lot of file work and test fitting to try and avoid a gaping fit. A MOV was placed across the power leads on the back-side of the header to help with spike suppression. The LEDs come with Zener diodes installed on the MCPCBs to further protect the devices.

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The cooling fan was selected for it’s quiet performance – Noctua fans are well known by computer enthusiasts for their exceptionally low noise levels while still being able to move a reasonable amount of air. This model is a NF-B9-1600, which will move 38 cfm while generating less than 18 decibels. The fan is an 80mm unit, so a 3-1/4” hole saw worked well for creating a hole for it in the gutter.

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Since the fan is intended for the computer market, it is 12vdc and required a separate 12v power supply. This worked out well because the two Meanwell drivers could use a 0-10vdc signal (optionally using resistance or Pulse Width Modulation) to control their dimming function. Using the voltage option makes it very simple to limit the maximum current that the LEDs will see, in this case using two small trim pots (potentiometers) that are mounted on a piece of Radio Shack circuit board. These pots were set up as a voltage divider, and the output from them was directed to the large dimming pots accessible on the top of the housing. The 2-watt power supply is from Digikey – the fan pulls 1.3 watts and the dimming circuits are only a couple of milliamps.

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The drivers selected were the Meanwell LPF-60D-54 units, capable of pushing 60 watts at 54 volts. For anyone interested in using these, they mean it when they say that they are limited to 54 volts. Other drivers that I have used in the past would go far beyond their nominal voltage rating as long as you kept the total wattage within spec. Unfortunately, these units top out at 54.2 volts, which caused me to change out one of the white LEDs that was originally in place for a red one. The four white LEDs required 57 volts and 900ma at 57 watts, and the drivers just wouldn’t get there.

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The LEDs used were the LedEngin 10 watt units that come pre-mounted on MCPCBs. The 660nm red units were the LZ4-00R200, and the cool white units were the LZ4-00W00. These come with glass lenses installed, the red lens has a 95-degree viewing angle and the white one is 105-degree. Rather than gluing them down, #4 self-tapping Torx screws were used, along with Arctic Silver thermal compound to aid in the heat transfer. I liked this mounting method better than gluing them down, which I used previously, but it is a real bitch to drill that many holes in aluminum with a #43 drill bit (.089” diameter). The slightest hang-up while using the bit in a drill press gives you a short drill bit and a problem to deal with in the heat sink!

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The heat sink was recessed into the gutter slightly when it was mounted. This keeps the LEDs below the face of the opening so that the lenses are protected by the gutter flange. It also allows the shortened cover plate to be used while transporting or storing the fixture, making incidental damage unlikely. The fixture weighs 12 pounds and draws 108-110 watts.

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więc kto chetny bo ja i tak juz z kimś z forum kombinuje biznes (niech sie sam ujawni ;) ) a naprawde całe zycie scum'u na***anego wozić nie bede więc dobry pomysl to i dobra kasa moze byc :) a jak będziemy czekać to chnczyki nas no wiecie co :)
jak pokażemy ponad 2g z watt to na 420 mówią ze każdy wy***ie HPS i bedą walić drzwiami i oknami więc ja nie liczę na biznes w Polsce tylko po za (oczywiscie dostępne wszedziej na website :) )
juz naprawde dobranoc :)

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